gridbasher
7:05 Sat Dec 2
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In respect of improving the experience they could follow the german model, the Olympic Stadium in Berlin is a similar set up in the middle of nowhere, long walk from the station etc, but on match days there are food vans, beer sellers, players signing stuff for fans, stuff for the kids, a whole host of stuff to do.There is plenty of room at Stratford and no doubt dozens of concessions that would love 50,000+ to ply their wares to, just a thought from a long time lurker that is also totally fucked off and glad he gave up his season ticket
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Fo the Communist
6:58 Sat Dec 2
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Gavros 4:43 Sat Dec 2
Can't you read, you fucking newbie spastic?
"Now all of the above points taken alone may not be the most damning single indictments but together they are a litany of fuck-ups, broken promises and missed opportunity"
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Lily Hammer
6:35 Sat Dec 2
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DJH
I won't argue with that, mate.
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DJH
6:33 Sat Dec 2
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Lily Hammer 6:00 Sat Dec 2
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I think we all have our own personal grips but I think most would tolerate a lot if it was one thing in isolation.
The reality is it is a combination of many things so everything feels worse especially when we left somewhere that satisfied most of those grips for many and we also had a decent team on the pitch, the whole move has been handled terribly.
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nychammer
6:25 Sat Dec 2
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I’m glad I don’t have the chance to go to matches any more, but you can see how badly the OS is set up for football on TV. It’s just wrong. I’ll be content with the memories of years as a season holder, going to UP was a footballing experience that you can’t just pick up and port to a new neighborhood and arena.
I can see why the owners took on the move, they are business men and it made business sense on paper, but in retrospect we’d have been better off in the long run staying at UP and rebuilding the east and maybe TB stands. At least UP felt like home and had atmosphere, even in the championship. Now the worst case of all scenarios is unfolding, relegation and facing an uncertain future in an oversized and under populated concrete bowl, with nothing anyone can do about it.
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Lily Hammer
6:00 Sat Dec 2
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I miss the neighbourhood location we had in Upton Park, but I reckon that the vast majority of West Ham, would put up with the strerile walk...
(and that is mostly the Stratford way and directly south past PML station, because the walk from Bow and through the old brick building industrial area past the Plough and the canal locks is lovely and old East End),
....if the front row of the all four stands were as close to the pitch as the old Boleyn Ground before the Rio Stand came in, basically, as it could have been had Coe not been such a wanker.
Stadium like that and I'd put up with popcorn and horrible walks.
It's all about the distance from the pitch for me, and surely for most.
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Chip Shop Charlie
5:32 Sat Dec 2
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Fo the Communist 3:57 Sat Dec 2
The Crusty Wanksock Arena.
That certainly has a nice ring to it...I'm in.
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Gavros
4:43 Sat Dec 2
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Wifi haha.
Queers.
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DJH
4:39 Sat Dec 2
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When people bang on about atmosphere that is not really the issue for me as some stadiums with the worst facilities can create some great atmospheres.
For me the stadiums that work are the ones that make feel that you are going to a football match the moment you park up your car or get off the train, the London Stadium fails dramatically in doing that in both the approach to the venue, around it and once inside.
I could go on all day highlighting things that tell you the London Stadium is not a world class football venue but neither was the Boleyn Ground but the difference was a football ground and Upton Park was a football location sadly Stratford/Olympic Park is not and very little effort seems to be have been done to address.
Personally I would love to renegotiate and get a refund as we have been sold a dud but sadly that is not a realistic proposal so the club should offer to pay more in return for more areas around the stadium to improve the supporters experience.
When it comes to the stadium the only way to make that what it was sold us as is to knock down and rebuild it.
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Side of Ham
4:26 Sat Dec 2
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The local community is also transient, there was more distain from the UP locals about parking than there is from this mob now. There's a big fuck off shopping centre in-between the stadium and the locals too!
Or is the POSTCODE gangs thing happening? Or worse are the 'skinny jeaned' hipsters getting uptight in them?
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1964
4:20 Sat Dec 2
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"the local community doesn’t want football fans in the area,"
Don't know about that, I'm sure the local traders and pubs are loving it.
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The Kronic
4:00 Sat Dec 2
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Even the walk to and from the cesspit is pure misery.
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Fo the Communist
3:57 Sat Dec 2
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Lily/Mike
I stand corrected. The Crusty Wanksock Arena it is.
Glad we can all agree on that.
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Crassus
3:54 Sat Dec 2
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Said prior to the move that if the club was not careful we would have a Stadio delle Alpi on our hands - we have
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Takashi Miike
3:53 Sat Dec 2
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haha yes, a fucking crusty spunk covered sock
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Lily Hammer
3:49 Sat Dec 2
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Abortion would suggest that at some point there was real life forming.
Isn't more like spunk dried to a crust on a wank rag?
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Takashi Miike
3:48 Sat Dec 2
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what expectations? anyone who'd been there during the Olympics knew how basic the structure was and how impossible it would be to make it an enjoyable venue for FOOTBALL
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Fo the Communist
3:41 Sat Dec 2
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Is it an abortion?
The seats are too far from the pitch, the lower tier too far from the upper tier, the roof does not fulfil its purpose of keeping those beneath it dry, it has no Wi-fi, initially there was totally inadequate segregation, neither the bars nor the toilets can keep pace with (entirely predictable) peak demands, the entire stadium has been dropped into a sterile zone, the walks to the transport links are long, the local community doesn’t want football fans in the area, the stewarding is – at best – poor, the ‘retractable’ seats are temporary seats supported by scaffolding and cable ties on breezeblocks. Last season 5,000 season ticket holders (the size of the old East stand) walked away.
Now all of the above points taken alone may not be the most damning single indictments but together they are a litany of fuck-ups, broken promises and missed opportunity. Remember this was supposed to be one the of the world’s best football stadiums that would attract world class players and take us to the fabled next level.
So yes, I think ‘abortion’ just about sums the whole thing up.
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Full Claret Jacket
3:03 Sat Dec 2
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When it was apparent that we weren't going to own the stadium after the Olympics due to the interference of others, the board did do a decent job of getting much more redevelopment done and personally I was surprised at the expense which was committed to for the roof, hospitality areas etc. My guess is they also originally committed to more than this but backed out as costs ridiculously escalated.
Not owning it severely limits us having any plans to improve it further that we can actually make happen.
The original stadium was a very poor basic temporary construction designed to be taken apart after the games. It didn't even have food places or toilets.
I was adamant we should NOT move to a stadium designed this way as not only was it not even a nice stadium to look at and it wasn't designed to last either. A massively underspec and over budget mess that 'Lords' and 'Baronesses' have presided over.
The stadium is now a halfway house. Not as bad as it was but nowhere as good as it could have been or should have been. A multi purpose arena that just becomes a not fit for any purpose arena.
Unless the government chuck more money at it or off load to a private business who will invest in making it a proper multi-purpose stadium then I can't see anyone making a go of it financially.
What astounds me is the total incompetence and lack of accountability these people- Livingstone, Coe, Jowell, Boris etc. have when they have truly fucked us all over and given us a 'legacy' of debt.
Yes the board sold a duff vision for the stadium that they cannot deliver or control delivery of but the country has been sold the biggest duff deal in creating a completely useless white elephant for a minority sport that bleeds cash. Do any of the other 'legacy' venues make money or are they all burdens on the taxpayer?
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E12Hammer
2:57 Sat Dec 2
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Would the stadium have been considered an "abortion" if we'd won the league last season? Each game the stadium would have been bouncing more than the last?
There have been a handful of games that have showed we can still make it intimidating, and the fans can make a difference.
Personally I think expectations could and should have been managed better. Not many teams manage to make a stadium migration an instant success. They are expensive and take the focus off the team.
It's going to take a few years for us all to get used to it, by which time I suspect G&S will have moved on, and I genuinely expect a billionaire to take us on, buy the ground, do something with it, and make us the truly massive club I think we have the potential to be.
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Crassus
2:54 Sat Dec 2
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Fo
'collective tricunterate'
Outstanding work, I am going to shamelessly have that away.....
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